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Poster: jculler Date: Aug 25, 2004 4:17am
Forum: feature_films Subject: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

First of all I'd like to say how great I think
this web site and what it offers to the public is.

Now on to my question.

Has any consideration been given to offer a higher
resolution mpeg4 version of the films. Something in the 500-700 meg range.

The mpeg2 formats at 3 to 4 gigs seems a little
too much to download even with broadband.


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Poster: rgs_uk Date: Aug 25, 2004 12:18pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

I would like to see them encoded using the XVid codec or something similar (DivX?). Which would make them easy to edit on a Windows PC. It seems to be almost impossible to edit the current MP4 files without buying a full version of QuickTime. Which in my opinion goes against the whole ethos of the Archive.

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Poster: FP Date: Aug 26, 2004 4:19am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

Actually, for me anyway, editing XVID is a royal pain. Same goes for most DIVX/MP4 variants. Many of these files refuse to load into VEGAS, the app I use professionally. The sound is frequently out of sync, and I have to dig out the clunky Virtual Dub or TMPGEnc to convert the files into something useful, which can take a long time. MPEG1, MPEG2, most non-DIVX AVI formats, and Quicktime load with no trouble. The MPEG2 files offered here are frequently good enough to use in broadcast projects with a little tweaking, so the long downloads are a small inconvenience.

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Poster: Metal Date: Sep 23, 2004 8:53am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

Higher resolution is worth the wait and bandwidth to me. It's worth noting that there are codecs available to allow anyone to use WMP or any player to view any video file format. For the mp4's that I've downloaded from here i use the mpegable codec from http://www.mpegable.com
http://www.doom9.org is also a superior resource for anything to do with digital video manipulation.

While I'm here, where are those mpeg2 movies? Every time I hit any mpeg2 link here I get nothing.

This post was modified by Metal on 2004-09-23 15:53:25

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Poster: rgs_uk Date: Sep 27, 2004 2:00am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

Thanks for the link to mpegable! Excellent. That answers some of my complaints about the mp4 files. Lets me view them in Windows Media Player or Media Player Classic. Though, strangely, unlike DivX and XVId, the mpegable codec doesn't let me open the files in VirtualDub.

This post was modified by rgs_uk on 2004-09-27 09:00:53

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Poster: Cey Date: Oct 5, 2004 8:22am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

From what little I've heard, the mpegable codecs aren't as good as many of the other mpeg-4 offerings.

That's been a while though, so you might want to do a little bit of testing to compare it with others, such as Divx, XVid, Nero's, Apple's, etc. etc.


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Poster: jculler Date: Oct 9, 2004 2:44am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

Well
Since I started this thread a while back.
I still don't know what the opinion of the
folks who have the power to offer higher
resolution mpeg-4 files.

I have read that some folks prefer the mpeg-2
file formats over mpeg-4.

That's great. My suggestion does not preclude
those file formats.

I've read that some folks don't mind downloading
3 or 4 gig files versus 700 or 800 meg files.

Really, that is 5 times the bandwidth time and
disk space. I don't understand that.

I understand that this site is non-profit and we
are not paying customers. So my suggestion has no standing like a paying customer.

Just a friendly suggestion.

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Poster: Cey Date: Oct 9, 2004 6:06am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

As for the mpeg-4 vs. mpeg-2 issue...

mpeg-4 isn't that much better than mpeg-2. Not enough to take a 4g video down to 600m without serious loss of quality.

I know that many many people do that with dvd's to fit them onto cd's, but from what I understand, that's due to a reduction in the quality, not due to vastly better compression in mpeg-4. (That's also been my experience.)

I've heard people say you can get 10x compression over mpeg-2 and all sorts of stuff.

However, other sources say that mpeg-4 itself is likely to only offer 25% to 50% savings over a modern high quality mpeg-2 encoder. (Older encoders aren't as efficient, so in those cases you may indeed get a greater savings.)

Of course, some movies compress better than others. It's always a judgement call about what setting you use for archiving purposes.

Personally, I think they should switch to mpeg-4 completely for new stuff, since it offers encoding at least as good as mpeg-2 and there are free legal decoders.

But I don't think they should drop the larger files. Not for archiving purposes. And many people want to download the best quality they can, so that'll always be the main file.

And then go ahead and offer various lower bit rate versions suitable for cd's, and streaming.


So basically I do agree with you that it'd be nice to have 600m-700m versions. But due to the reduction in quality, I'd still prefer to have a friend with a fast broadband connection download the full quality versions.

But [shrug] my opinion doesn't carry any more weight than yours...[grin]

The way I see it, they are offering some classic movies and stuff for free, so I'm not going to "rock the boat" and mess that up.

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Poster: ovalprocess Date: Sep 14, 2004 8:45am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

FP,

What kind of tweaking do you do for broadcast projects?

This post was modified by ovalprocess on 2004-09-14 15:45:20

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Poster: rgs_uk Date: Aug 26, 2004 12:06pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

You kind of illustrate my point... You say Quicktime loads into Vegas - which is $400 editing software. However it doesn't load into VirtualDub, which is a great AVI conversion and chopping tool which is completely free.

XVid does load into VirtualDub and should load into Vegas perfectly too. The files you have tried must have been encoded wrongly or it must be the XVid codec you have installed. I use Xvid quite a bit and haven't had any sync problems.

Installing XVid is just a matter of a tiny codec (100k). Every player on the PC then plays XVid movies and every piece of editing software can edit them. Quicktime, on the other hand, requires you to install a massive player which embeds itself into your system without asking. I sthere any software that is free that allows editing or conversion of Quicktime movies? I haven't found any.

Not everyone can download the MPEG2 files. I agree they are great quality. But they are so large as to cause problems for anyone who is on Win98.

I just think the MP4 format files should use a codec that isn't as restricted as Quicktime is. And, on the subject of 'pain', Quicktime may be wonderful on a MAC but, on a PC, everything about it 'sucks'. The player itself is quite appalling on Windows, invasive and slow - even on a fast PC. This being the case, and given that most of the world uses Windows, it's a mystery why we continue to have the awful Quicktime inflicted upon us.

This post was modified by rgs_uk on 2004-08-26 19:06:35

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Poster: jculler Date: Aug 27, 2004 12:22am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

I wonder if Mr. Prelinger has an opinion on this
subject?

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 25, 2004 12:24pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

That seems the ideal solution to a problem that has troubled me for some time

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Poster: cashel Date: Aug 25, 2004 8:47am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: higher resolution mpeg4 offering

An excellent idea..

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